flyback 歐美特派員 
註冊時間: Nov 11, 2003
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發表於: 星期四 2004-06-24 21:46
| snoopy 寫到: | | ericni 寫到: | Submariner without date is 14060M, right?
之前有很多網友深入的討論過 14060M,
我也覺得這是簡潔錶面的首選,
無日期, 無放大鏡, 真是乾乾淨淨呀! (在下尤其討厭放大鏡)
雖然其機芯無cosc, 但是不代表不準!
你能省下Rolex送測cosc的錢呀.......
都是Rolex原廠機芯, 有無cosc, 並無太大影響,
cosc 有時候只是一點點虛榮心作祟....  |
to ericni.,
what is cosc?? WoW a simple watch really got alot of study!
my friend said so expensive watch without date really sound stupid. he suggest me better add up few hundred bucks to get the one with date wor!
i understand 是簡潔錶面的首選 ... but alot people do not ...
again ericni, GMT-Master and Sunmariner both also do not have cosc?
what is cosc actually? thanks again |
Snoopy, many expensive watches don't offer the date function. I personally feel the same as ericni about the magnifying glass. If it's embedded inside of the glass, then I'm fine with it, but I don't like it sticking out. That's just me though. Many people get it b/c it's a Rolex character. The most important part is what YOU like.
Please take a look at our great ppyc's in-depth analysis on the sub.
link.
I like the sub without date better (or the SD), and I totally see what ppyc's point.
my 2 ¢
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ppyc 資深會員 
註冊時間: Jul 03, 2003
文章: 1959
來自: 大夏故都兴庆府
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發表於: 星期四 2004-06-24 22:34
COSC的标准是-4-----+6秒.
实际的测试是很复杂的,顾及了准确性,稳定性和润滑情况.
每几天的测试都不同,
历史上的COSC要求也不同,
有兴趣的朋友可以找些资料看看吧.
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现代的ROLEX,全部是COSC标准(5方位3温度,15天)的校正.
然后将绝大部分送COSC去拿一张证.
用R主管的话说:我们并不需要COSC告诉我们,我们的芯有多准,
我们要的只是应付市场的那张纸.
没有在表面标COSC的有两种,
一种是专业表款,如SUB 的ND,或AIR-KING
(有人会叫它廉价表款,但你仔细分析就会发现似乎不是,AIRKING的价格和15200的价格非常接近,为为什么AIRKING就没有标COSC?SUB 的ND也不比普通的15200或16200便宜,为什么要叫廉价表款?也许这是个误会)
另一种是珠宝表或设计上回避的.比如很多宝石面的DATEJUST或DATEDAY,
都没有在表面标COSC.
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man 初級會員 
註冊時間: Mar 27, 2004
文章: 34
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發表於: 星期四 2004-06-24 23:08
snoopy , i also like gmt master II but only black-red bezel . It is cheaper than submariner & sea dweller after discount and it has gmt function . I said before , unless you always diving otherwise , don't choose sea dweller . It is so HEAVY & THICKNESS , i prefer explorer I to submariner without date , explorer I has COSC and the dial is beautiful than submariner without date . Your friend may be right , you spend more money to buy ROLEX , why you don't choose the submariner date ? I hope that my opinion can solve your trouble but most important is which one you like deeply . Finnally i am sorry , i can't able to type chinese .
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ericni 資深會員
註冊時間: Jan 03, 2004
文章: 564
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發表於: 星期四 2004-06-24 23:17
小弟記成 Grand Seiko 的標準了.........
抱歉!
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Omega 分區版面管理員 
註冊時間: May 08, 2003
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來自: Taipei, Taiwan
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發表於: 星期四 2004-06-24 23:27
| snoopy 寫到: | May i know what is the weight of the Submariner, Sea-Dweller, GMT-Master??
anyone know its weight?? so i can compare ..... THANKS |
The weight/thickness of each model of Rolex -
Submariner(16610) = 135g Thickness: 13.00mm
Sea-Dweller(16600) = 147g Thickness: 14.65mm
GMT-Master(16710) = 127g Thickness: 12.45mm
Explore II(16570) = 126g Thickness: 12.65mm
Explore I(114270) = 105g Thickness: 11.40mm
Yacht-master(16622) = 146g Thickness: 12.00mm
Daytona(116520) = 140g Thickness: 12.60mm
Air King(14000M) = 95g Thickness: 11.45mm
Based on SS model.
For your reference!!
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rolex1016 白金會員 
註冊時間: Dec 05, 2003
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發表於: 星期四 2004-06-24 23:33
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flyback 歐美特派員
註冊時間: Nov 11, 2003
文章: 839
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發表於: 星期五 2004-06-25 12:51
Good stuff omega!!!
I have 1 question though.
How come I rarely see any inquiry on 16622? Everyone seems to only focus on SM, SD, Exp2 or GMT. Is it a style thing like Cellini, or it's a price thing (I have no clue).
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snoopy 初級會員
註冊時間: Jun 23, 2004
文章: 43
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發表於: 星期五 2004-06-25 13:30
| ericni 寫到: | cosc 其實應大寫 COSC
原文好像是 Contrôle officiel suisse des chronomètres
英文好像是 Swiss Official Chronometer Control
台灣習慣稱 "天文台錶"
詳細規定稍嫌煩雜, 我不列了....
簡單說, 一定期間內, 測下來, 每天之平均誤差能在 +5~-3 秒 之內
是有一點指標性意義, 不過不能代表一切, 影響準度之因素非常之多!
況且, 有 Chronometer 一定要多付點$的........
先回答這樣, 最近比較忙, 若有時間我再回來討論!
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i guess i understand but not fully heheheheh thanks alot Ericni.
May i know Submariner with date and without date and GMT-Master got COSC or not?
thanks alot ....... By the way i wondering GMT-Master why II ??? it has GMT-Master I also?? what is the different between I and II ? same price?
thanks alot everyone .... you all so nice! i hope i can make up my mind within 2 weeks then i will post the picture what i buy ... 
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snoopy 初級會員
註冊時間: Jun 23, 2004
文章: 43
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發表於: 星期五 2004-06-25 13:40
| flyback 寫到: | | snoopy 寫到: | | ericni 寫到: | Submariner without date is 14060M, right?
之前有很多網友深入的討論過 14060M,
我也覺得這是簡潔錶面的首選,
無日期, 無放大鏡, 真是乾乾淨淨呀! (在下尤其討厭放大鏡)
雖然其機芯無cosc, 但是不代表不準!
你能省下Rolex送測cosc的錢呀.......
都是Rolex原廠機芯, 有無cosc, 並無太大影響,
cosc 有時候只是一點點虛榮心作祟.... |
to ericni.,
what is cosc?? WoW a simple watch really got alot of study!
my friend said so expensive watch without date really sound stupid. he suggest me better add up few hundred bucks to get the one with date wor!
i understand 是簡潔錶面的首選 ... but alot people do not ...
again ericni, GMT-Master and Sunmariner both also do not have cosc?
what is cosc actually? thanks again |
Snoopy, many expensive watches don't offer the date function. I personally feel the same as ericni about the magnifying glass. If it's embedded inside of the glass, then I'm fine with it, but I don't like it sticking out. That's just me though. Many people get it b/c it's a Rolex character. The most important part is what YOU like.
Please take a look at our great ppyc's in-depth analysis on the sub.
link.
I like the sub without date better (or the SD), and I totally see what ppyc's point.
my 2 ¢ |
i will read the ppyc's brother analysis after this one. thanks for the help.
sorry may i know what is the SD?
The GMT-Master and Submariner with date, both are embedded inside of the glass or sticking out?
one more question will the watch surface got screw up(damage easily) if it sticking out? bigger risk or it's hard like a rock becoz it is Rolex??
thanks Flyback @-@
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snoopy 初級會員
註冊時間: Jun 23, 2004
文章: 43
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發表於: 星期五 2004-06-25 13:55
| ppyc 寫到: | COSC的标准是-4-----+6秒.
实际的测试是很复杂的,顾及了准确性,稳定性和润滑情况.
每几天的测试都不同,
历史上的COSC要求也不同,
有兴趣的朋友可以找些资料看看吧.
*
现代的ROLEX,全部是COSC标准(5方位3温度,15天)的校正.
然后将绝大部分送COSC去拿一张证.
用R主管的话说:我们并不需要COSC告诉我们,我们的芯有多准,
我们要的只是应付市场的那张纸.
没有在表面标COSC的有两种,
一种是专业表款,如SUB 的ND,或AIR-KING
(有人会叫它廉价表款,但你仔细分析就会发现似乎不是,AIRKING的价格和15200的价格非常接近,为为什么AIRKING就没有标COSC?SUB 的ND也不比普通的15200或16200便宜,为什么要叫廉价表款?也许这是个误会)
另一种是珠宝表或设计上回避的.比如很多宝石面的DATEJUST或DATEDAY,
都没有在表面标COSC. |
a simple watch also got alot of study. thanks ppyc ....
i read from other pages saying that Y = 2003, F = 2004.
my friend just bought one lady model which is 17xxx ... forgot the last 3.
but it doesn't stated it is Y or F. How do i know that watch is 2003 or 2004?
thanks again ppyc
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